Comments on: More on ICANN and Nominet http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/ News and views on domain names, the Internet and life in general Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:11:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Leo http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5827 Leo Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:55:09 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5827 I have no idea what proportion of registered domains have real web sites, but remember that there is more to the Internet than the web. I have no idea what proportion of registered domains have real web sites, but remember that there is more to the Internet than the web.

]]> By: Ed http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5826 Ed Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:33:43 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5826 Sebastien: thanks for your reply. You're right, but the issue is that abc lawyers would want abc.co.uk and abc.law.uk. Unless you strictly limit people within SLDs, you get the same thing you've got with .eu - every company has to have one. As such, if .net.uk were opened up to anyone (for example) every Internet company would buy a domain (making someone lots of money!). I guess in an ideal world, you'd have a SLD for every industry, and you'd make sure that only people in that industry could register a domain within that SLD. I'm not sure what you do about having two A1 plumbers though... With that system you're still very biased against Internet-only companies. Its incredibly hard now to find any free domains available in any of the unrestricted TLDs/SLDs. The way to solve this would be to find a way to prevent speculative buying of domains, I can't think of one though. I wonder what percentage of domains registered actually contain real websites? 5%? Sebastien: thanks for your reply.

You’re right, but the issue is that abc lawyers would want abc.co.uk and abc.law.uk. Unless you strictly limit people within SLDs, you get the same thing you’ve got with .eu – every company has to have one. As such, if .net.uk were opened up to anyone (for example) every Internet company would buy a domain (making someone lots of money!).

I guess in an ideal world, you’d have a SLD for every industry, and you’d make sure that only people in that industry could register a domain within that SLD. I’m not sure what you do about having two A1 plumbers though…

With that system you’re still very biased against Internet-only companies. Its incredibly hard now to find any free domains available in any of the unrestricted TLDs/SLDs. The way to solve this would be to find a way to prevent speculative buying of domains, I can’t think of one though.

I wonder what percentage of domains registered actually contain real websites? 5%?

]]> By: Sebastien Lahtinen http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5825 Sebastien Lahtinen Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:47:30 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5825 As chair of the .net.uk working group which didn't come to a consensus on this.. I'd also point out that .net.uk is quite strictly restricted to ISPs/Network Providers who fall within a specific set of criteria. Also, ISPs (or Network Operators to be specific) have a lot more kit which several use .net.uk for.. it's not necessarily intended in many cases for customers to use (indeed the rules make it clear the SLD is for network infrastructure/ISP use.. not customers.. so customers shouldn't have .net.uk e-mail addresses, etc.) The working group did discuss extending the rules as who who was allowed to register .net.uk domains.. some argued that being a member of Nominet for example should entitle you to register them. The fact it is restricted does remove the majority of the defensive registration problem but as you said it's not that well known just like with ltd.uk and plc.uk. Either way I don't see any harm it does either. The problem with .com and .co.uk is they are very congested, so I would actually have no problems with say .law.uk for solicitors which means that for example ABC Plumbers could have "abc.co.uk" and Alan Bertrood Carter & Co" could have "abc.law.uk".. There is a process for that in place. (abc.co.uk is already registered to someone else.. just a ficticious example). As chair of the .net.uk working group which didn’t come to a consensus on this.. I’d also point out that .net.uk is quite strictly restricted to ISPs/Network Providers who fall within a specific set of criteria. Also, ISPs (or Network Operators to be specific) have a lot more kit which several use .net.uk for.. it’s not necessarily intended in many cases for customers to use (indeed the rules make it clear the SLD is for network infrastructure/ISP use.. not customers.. so customers shouldn’t have .net.uk e-mail addresses, etc.) The working group did discuss extending the rules as who who was allowed to register .net.uk domains.. some argued that being a member of Nominet for example should entitle you to register them. The fact it is restricted does remove the majority of the defensive registration problem but as you said it’s not that well known just like with ltd.uk and plc.uk. Either way I don’t see any harm it does either. The problem with .com and .co.uk is they are very congested, so I would actually have no problems with say .law.uk for solicitors which means that for example ABC Plumbers could have “abc.co.uk” and Alan Bertrood Carter & Co” could have “abc.law.uk”.. There is a process for that in place. (abc.co.uk is already registered to someone else.. just a ficticious example).

]]> By: Ed http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5824 Ed Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:25:20 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5824 Thats interesting - I notice theres plc.uk and ltd.uk which I've also never seen used. I can't honestly see a huge benefit in having .net.uk or these others, in fact I don't really see much benefit in having new TLDs or gTLDs at all, unless they're strictly regulated to contain only certain content. Obviously the issue then becomes the fact that everyone and their dog wants a gTLD for their industry - where do you stop? So, my verdict is probably rather like theirs. That said, I wouldn't mind having a .net.uk domain :) Thats interesting – I notice theres plc.uk and ltd.uk which I’ve also never seen used. I can’t honestly see a huge benefit in having .net.uk or these others, in fact I don’t really see much benefit in having new TLDs or gTLDs at all, unless they’re strictly regulated to contain only certain content. Obviously the issue then becomes the fact that everyone and their dog wants a gTLD for their industry – where do you stop?

So, my verdict is probably rather like theirs. That said, I wouldn’t mind having a .net.uk domain :)

]]> By: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5823 Kieren Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:36:24 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5823 I just found the report - http://www.nominet.org.uk/digitalAssets/9232_netuk-wg-jul06-report.pdf. Its conclusion is that no one can agree on what to do so it's best just to leave it as is. A bit weak. Why not just decide on a course and dictate that it will take place in a year or two years' time? That way everyone has time to adjust. Kieren I just found the report – http://www.nominet.org.uk/digitalAssets/9232_netuk-wg-jul06-report.pdf.

Its conclusion is that no one can agree on what to do so it’s best just to leave it as is. A bit weak. Why not just decide on a course and dictate that it will take place in a year or two years’ time? That way everyone has time to adjust.

Kieren

]]> By: Kieren http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5822 Kieren Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:33:20 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5822 Ah, there's a bit of history here. Nominet also runs .net.uk and, along with the original .net put strict controls on who was allowed to have a .net.uk domain. But in 2002, Nominet suggested it has outlived its usefulness and was going to scrap it. This caused an inevitable screech of complaint from companies - mostly ISPs - running their servers (and websites) through net.uk domains but since then I have noted that nearly everyone has shifted on .co.uk domains. One example: my ISP Eclipse ran its entire infrastructure over eclipse.net.uk, but now has it all on eclipse.co.uk. There was a .net working group within Nominet last year which discussed what to do with it. I think, simply, the suggestion was either open it up to everyone, or kill it altogether. Aha - I have found it - http://www.nominet.org.uk/policy/consultations/netuk/. The consultation period ended in March this year and I see (http://www.nominet.org.uk/policy/wg/net/) that the working group has been wound up and the PAB has accepted its final report in July. So, presumably, it is awaiting decision from the Nominet Board. I shall send a few emails and find out. Kieren Ah, there’s a bit of history here. Nominet also runs .net.uk and, along with the original .net put strict controls on who was allowed to have a .net.uk domain. But in 2002, Nominet suggested it has outlived its usefulness and was going to scrap it.

This caused an inevitable screech of complaint from companies – mostly ISPs – running their servers (and websites) through net.uk domains but since then I have noted that nearly everyone has shifted on .co.uk domains. One example: my ISP Eclipse ran its entire infrastructure over eclipse.net.uk, but now has it all on eclipse.co.uk.

There was a .net working group within Nominet last year which discussed what to do with it. I think, simply, the suggestion was either open it up to everyone, or kill it altogether.

Aha – I have found it – http://www.nominet.org.uk/policy/consultations/netuk/. The consultation period ended in March this year and I see (http://www.nominet.org.uk/policy/wg/net/) that the working group has been wound up and the PAB has accepted its final report in July. So, presumably, it is awaiting decision from the Nominet Board.

I shall send a few emails and find out.

Kieren

]]> By: Ed http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/comment-page-1/#comment-5821 Ed Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:19:24 +0000 http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/10/02/more-on-icann-and-nominet/#comment-5821 Heres a totally offtopic question, but who owns net.uk and what purpose does it serve? A whois returns an error from Nominet, but www.net.uk goes through to a site listing a few other sites, and www.bbc.net.uk goes to www.bbc.co.uk... Any idea? Heres a totally offtopic question, but who owns net.uk and what purpose does it serve? A whois returns an error from Nominet, but http://www.net.uk goes through to a site listing a few other sites, and http://www.bbc.net.uk goes to http://www.bbc.co.uk...

Any idea?

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