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		<title>By: Nic Oatridge</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10563</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic Oatridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started with Pipex Dial back in 1994, when it was the BBC Networking Club. I&#039;ve hosted with them ever since, but the service is now shockingly bad and anyone you speak to seems to just tell you things that simply aren&#039;t true!

The mail service was never brilliant, but it improved a little when spam filtering was adding. My biggest grouse was that it &quot;dropped&#039; an alias I was using for virtually all my email then wouldn&#039;t let me re-instate it, saying it was already in use. Of course, tech support never helped resolve this and I have just accepted I have lost a lot of email.

The web hosting side had some nifty features to start with, but they were specific to the site and effectively caused lock-in unless you wanted to rebuild your site. These features were never added to, however, and Pipex Dial looks like it did over 10 years ago... except the documentation seems to have disappeared. In the meantime the world has moved on and it is clear that Pipex Dial is effectively a defunct service, withering away until nobody is left to use it, charging people at two or three times the going rate for hosts that offer far better capabilities.

Through the saga of changing names and owners such as Uunet, Worldcom, Nidram, Tiscali, Opal, Talk Talk, Opal Business etc customer service has deteriorated. It reached a nadir when I had no disimilar experiences to Kieren. They screwed up a credit card payment and then told me when I got to speak to someone that they couldn&#039;t accept any of my credit cards! Imagine a compny that doesn&#039;t want to take money off you! Sounds too good to be true... well it was. I was told that my account would be deleted unless I paid up, so I transferred the balance of my account by bank transfer to the account they told me to post it to.  Despite proving that I had the money transferred across, Nildram (who seemed to be taking payments for Pipex Dial at the time) had &quot;lost&quot; the payment details.  I pursued my payment for a few weeks and then, despite the account being in dispute, found that the URL that had pointed to my Dialspace now pointed to an error message. My account had been suspended! Finally I was told (by Opal by now) they COULD accept my credit card and would re-instate my site within two hours. I promptly but reluctantly paid up AGAIN, but two days later my site was down. Some oik then triumphantly told me that it was deleted permanently and couldn&#039;t be re-instated, but I couldn&#039;t have my money back. I found however that the site was still up if i navigated via Dialspace (http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac567/), although i was also told that this would disappear too and there was nothing anyone could do about it.  it&#039;s still there, and the email still seems to work, so we&#039;ll see but the site is crippled without my regular domain name pointing to it.

Oh well, time to find a decent host and put the losses down to experience, but still I wait for them to transfer the IPS tag to my new provider.  And still my web site is down, for the sixth week running!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started with Pipex Dial back in 1994, when it was the BBC Networking Club. I&#8217;ve hosted with them ever since, but the service is now shockingly bad and anyone you speak to seems to just tell you things that simply aren&#8217;t true!</p>
<p>The mail service was never brilliant, but it improved a little when spam filtering was adding. My biggest grouse was that it &#8220;dropped&#8217; an alias I was using for virtually all my email then wouldn&#8217;t let me re-instate it, saying it was already in use. Of course, tech support never helped resolve this and I have just accepted I have lost a lot of email.</p>
<p>The web hosting side had some nifty features to start with, but they were specific to the site and effectively caused lock-in unless you wanted to rebuild your site. These features were never added to, however, and Pipex Dial looks like it did over 10 years ago&#8230; except the documentation seems to have disappeared. In the meantime the world has moved on and it is clear that Pipex Dial is effectively a defunct service, withering away until nobody is left to use it, charging people at two or three times the going rate for hosts that offer far better capabilities.</p>
<p>Through the saga of changing names and owners such as Uunet, Worldcom, Nidram, Tiscali, Opal, Talk Talk, Opal Business etc customer service has deteriorated. It reached a nadir when I had no disimilar experiences to Kieren. They screwed up a credit card payment and then told me when I got to speak to someone that they couldn&#8217;t accept any of my credit cards! Imagine a compny that doesn&#8217;t want to take money off you! Sounds too good to be true&#8230; well it was. I was told that my account would be deleted unless I paid up, so I transferred the balance of my account by bank transfer to the account they told me to post it to.  Despite proving that I had the money transferred across, Nildram (who seemed to be taking payments for Pipex Dial at the time) had &#8220;lost&#8221; the payment details.  I pursued my payment for a few weeks and then, despite the account being in dispute, found that the URL that had pointed to my Dialspace now pointed to an error message. My account had been suspended! Finally I was told (by Opal by now) they COULD accept my credit card and would re-instate my site within two hours. I promptly but reluctantly paid up AGAIN, but two days later my site was down. Some oik then triumphantly told me that it was deleted permanently and couldn&#8217;t be re-instated, but I couldn&#8217;t have my money back. I found however that the site was still up if i navigated via Dialspace (<a href="http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac567/" rel="nofollow">http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac567/</a>), although i was also told that this would disappear too and there was nothing anyone could do about it.  it&#8217;s still there, and the email still seems to work, so we&#8217;ll see but the site is crippled without my regular domain name pointing to it.</p>
<p>Oh well, time to find a decent host and put the losses down to experience, but still I wait for them to transfer the IPS tag to my new provider.  And still my web site is down, for the sixth week running!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Jones</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10395</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pipex/Opal are possibly the worst company I&#039;ve ever dealt with.

Pipex used to be a household brand, what the hell went wrong! Their customer services is split between four or five companies and none of them talk to each other! So everytime you call, you get someone else who knows NOTHING. Then, on top of that every person I&#039;ve spoken to has been abrupt, rude, promised things that were never done (even as far as sending me an email prooving they did something they were supposed to do which then DIDN&#039;T HAPPEN!) Thank you andrew.cook@nildram.net.

On top of THAT I got a letter demanding £275 pounds for cancellation of a service that was supposed to never have been made active (having cancelled during the 10 days cooling off period as I was worried very early on of their so called &quot;service.&quot;)

If I were you, and you were thinking of Talk Talk, Pipex, Opal, Nildram or whatever other company name they want to go under - can I give you one piece of priceless advice?

DON&#039;T DO IT! 

You will SERIOUSLY regret picking up the phone.

I&#039;ve also read a number of posts now, saying their service (as in connection service) is appaulingly slow too. 

PIPEX/OPAL - SORT YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICES OUT!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipex/Opal are possibly the worst company I&#8217;ve ever dealt with.</p>
<p>Pipex used to be a household brand, what the hell went wrong! Their customer services is split between four or five companies and none of them talk to each other! So everytime you call, you get someone else who knows NOTHING. Then, on top of that every person I&#8217;ve spoken to has been abrupt, rude, promised things that were never done (even as far as sending me an email prooving they did something they were supposed to do which then DIDN&#8217;T HAPPEN!) Thank you <a href="mailto:andrew.cook@nildram.net">andrew.cook@nildram.net</a>.</p>
<p>On top of THAT I got a letter demanding £275 pounds for cancellation of a service that was supposed to never have been made active (having cancelled during the 10 days cooling off period as I was worried very early on of their so called &#8220;service.&#8221;)</p>
<p>If I were you, and you were thinking of Talk Talk, Pipex, Opal, Nildram or whatever other company name they want to go under &#8211; can I give you one piece of priceless advice?</p>
<p>DON&#8217;T DO IT! </p>
<p>You will SERIOUSLY regret picking up the phone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also read a number of posts now, saying their service (as in connection service) is appaulingly slow too. </p>
<p>PIPEX/OPAL &#8211; SORT YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICES OUT!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 11:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I experienced terrible service at the hands of Pipex, so set up http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk in response.
There are a couple of Pipex employees that keep an eye on the forum posts and help out where they can – hopefully some of you could get some help here?
PS - Stefan thanks for the nod 3 years ago - we are still going strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I experienced terrible service at the hands of Pipex, so set up <a href="http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk</a> in response.<br />
There are a couple of Pipex employees that keep an eye on the forum posts and help out where they can – hopefully some of you could get some help here?<br />
PS &#8211; Stefan thanks for the nod 3 years ago &#8211; we are still going strong.</p>
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		<title>By: kierenmccarthy</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10204</link>
		<dc:creator>kierenmccarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara - this is just my blog, nothing to do with Pipex.

But while here, I had Pipex threatening me for a year for about the same sum even though I could prove I had informed them I had shifted supplier.

I sent back an email and then a letter explaining. And I sent a second one when I received another threatening letter. After that, I just ignored them and it stopped some time later.


Kieren </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara &#8211; this is just my blog, nothing to do with Pipex.</p>
<p>But while here, I had Pipex threatening me for a year for about the same sum even though I could prove I had informed them I had shifted supplier.</p>
<p>I sent back an email and then a letter explaining. And I sent a second one when I received another threatening letter. After that, I just ignored them and it stopped some time later.</p>
<p>Kieren</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Eves</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10197</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Eves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please could you tell me why you are trying to sue my late husband for £71.98 when he wrote to you twice telling you he had moved to talk talk in 2008!
No one will speak to me, have you any idea how distressing this is?????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please could you tell me why you are trying to sue my late husband for £71.98 when he wrote to you twice telling you he had moved to talk talk in 2008!<br />
No one will speak to me, have you any idea how distressing this is?????????????</p>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am having the same here.  I opened my account and foudn i couldnt really use any of the templates for my site, plus editing them was a nightmare i have had the account for 2 days and have had not much help!!   i had to email support to enquire about cancelling and they sated that i had to let the services run to the expiry date.. surely there shoould be a 30 day cancellation for this and not wait for the services to expire.. i want my money back am furioius..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am having the same here.  I opened my account and foudn i couldnt really use any of the templates for my site, plus editing them was a nightmare i have had the account for 2 days and have had not much help!!   i had to email support to enquire about cancelling and they sated that i had to let the services run to the expiry date.. surely there shoould be a 30 day cancellation for this and not wait for the services to expire.. i want my money back am furioius..</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Davis</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-9140</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am having severe problems with Pipex. Over 18 months ago i converted with them to broadband, pretty much as soon as it became available in my area, and cancelled my old dial-up account. However, they continued to take the money for the now cancelled and defunct dial-up account from my bank, in addition to the new broadband fees. They are now refusing to refund the money they effectively stole from my bank account, and are subjecting me to a stream of recorded phone calls demanding payment for the old account, and threatening to cut me off. Obviously a company rotten to the core, about to go bust and resorting to vile business practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am having severe problems with Pipex. Over 18 months ago i converted with them to broadband, pretty much as soon as it became available in my area, and cancelled my old dial-up account. However, they continued to take the money for the now cancelled and defunct dial-up account from my bank, in addition to the new broadband fees. They are now refusing to refund the money they effectively stole from my bank account, and are subjecting me to a stream of recorded phone calls demanding payment for the old account, and threatening to cut me off. Obviously a company rotten to the core, about to go bust and resorting to vile business practices.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pipex are a total scam, they charged me for 2 accounts when I only had one, they limit your download speed to 20kb/s when I&#039;m paying £24.99/m for 8mb Broadband. Now they won&#039;t let me log into their site to actually cancel my account this is unbelievable! They can&#039;t do this for long as I&#039;ll be well gone in a few weeks, jokers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipex are a total scam, they charged me for 2 accounts when I only had one, they limit your download speed to 20kb/s when I&#8217;m paying £24.99/m for 8mb Broadband. Now they won&#8217;t let me log into their site to actually cancel my account this is unbelievable! They can&#8217;t do this for long as I&#8217;ll be well gone in a few weeks, jokers.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for saving me some money and prompting me to move!  Sadly I think that they&#039;re doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saving me some money and prompting me to move!  Sadly I think that they&#8217;re doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://kierenmccarthy.com/2006/12/01/pipex-on-determined-route-to-self-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-5272</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing! This company are so terrible, somebody was compelled to set up a website and forum to let off steam!! I keep giggling now! http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing! This company are so terrible, somebody was compelled to set up a website and forum to let off steam!! I keep giggling now! <a href="http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pipexproblems.co.uk</a></p>
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